Episode 7

Advanced Live Streaming

Back In episode 2 we discussed the basics to get you started with doing livestream performances and today we will deep dive into the advanced tactics of livestreaming and tackle things like sponsors without letting you drown in the sea of options. We cast off on all that bass in this episode 7.

0:00:01.7 S1: Welcome to the show that explores the methods and strategies on rock on the financial side of your music business with over 40 years combined experience. Here are your host, Chris Webb and Dave Takin.

0:00:16.0 S2: Welcome to, This is tiptoe talked about musicians and money, place that we discussed the best financial bat for your sangha.

0:00:23.9 S1: Where to cast your live stream. I'm your host, Chris Webb, joined by my co-host, the big fish himself, Dave dancing fish, small pond CRS web, women in this time by myself during this pandemic, a lot of... A long time. Big visions. Well, back in episode two, we discussed the basics to get you started doing a live stream performance, and today we will do dive into the advanced tactics of live streaming, you tackle things like sponsors without letting you drown in the sea of options, we cast off on all that phase or pass. Right after this.

0:01:05.7 S2: Today's episode is brought to you by stone cottage studios. To believe that music and visual heartened-ing has no borders represents everyone and has the ability to live the heart and soul, we believe that music has the power to unite and motivate and inspire. Donoghue provides a venue for musicians to reach their fans through video and audio production right here in Boulder, Colorado, check out their interview-based artist sessions, live stream events and filming and recording projects at stone cottage studios dot com. Welcome back, everybody. This episode number seven will be a little bit different than episode number two when we just gave you a brief description of the tips that we use to live stream, we're going to not say during this episode, that's new ritual that we have here, it's taking a seven episodes to get to that, but we'll discuss Tips on making your visual and studio experience something special for your viewers and also help you stay on a budget. Chris picked a pretty awesome quote of the week, and I wanted to say I never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream, Malcom mugger Ridge, also known for robbing people on a hill.

0:02:23.4 S2: Chris, do you know that...

0:02:27.4 S1: Alright, all you getting set up for a livestream really comes down to what you want the experience to be, it can be a full colorful, changing lights, or it could just be black and white, it could be playing solo with backing tracks or a full multi-track band, pool side or mountain tab. Before I go full Dr. Suits up in here, let's discuss about the ins and outs of taking your live stream up a notch and cast a new light, and what can be a very profitable performance revenue. This week's topics, one advanced visuals to advanced audio and three advanced revenue. Let's start out here by talking about what everything is gonna look like, how are we gonna melt some faces or some hearts, handles Christ. We're gonna use candles.

0:03:21.8 S2: And we'll do both. Yes.

0:03:24.6 S1: If only there were small evasion on our lives, Jamestown candles, I got going in here.

0:03:30.1 S2: This was lighting the bonfire before this episode, everyone, just so you know, so if you're watching this on YouTube, you should see smoke behind his microphone, shortly. Not joking though. Candles lamps, let's give a visual experience, and when we say talking about advanced lighting, I think it's having a relationship with the visual landscape that you're going to present to your audience, and we're not use... I'm not used to having to worry about that when we play live shows because we go there and hopefully there's an awesome visual artist with their lights and smoke machines, and if I'm lucky throw machines. But I think having just a little extra something so people can see your face and can see your hands and you can present a good show, something as easy as that you be sized lighting that we both got when we first started doing this, it's just a circular little light with a stand that you could change the tone and the color of the light, make it brighter, bring the lights down, or I grab some old fashion Christmas, like put those up to make something interesting for your fans and friends to take a look at.

0:04:53.0 S1: Yeah, I mean, you can do that with personality just by putting the lights around the room, honestly, making it true to what you really like as a vibe that you might be in when you're writing that seem comfortable. Vibe that you like to put yourself in when you're creating has the kind of eye people might wanna experience you performing in, especially when it's a very intimate feeling, like a lot of people do with their live streams.

0:05:15.6 S2: There's a friend that Nate Holly, who live streams pretty regularly, and he is a full lecturing them, lights going everywhere, rainbows, everything, even, and Fresco, he's got a great light show going on all the time, so check out different to out different live streams, see what the other artists are doing, get some different ideas.

0:05:42.1 S1: And if you like us, you have a lot of this equipment that doesn't get much used to these days, and it's a nice an excuse to pull it out and set it back up, and

0:05:52.5 S2: That's what I say is... Any chance to pull it out.

0:05:55.4 S1: The next question you're gonna really wanna figure out is after you've set up this visual impact and you've kind of set this up to be the message that's... That you're performing for. I wanted to just stay real quickly that sometimes you need to be business in the front... Right. And sinister, any chance, sometimes we are performing for a business or for a corporate event, and so obviously in certain circumstances, the strobe lit for two hours isn't going to be a good choice, and so that's the time when you also have to put on that business etiquette and percent yourself as if you were presenting yourself... I had a corporate event, and so obviously we'll talk more about the other aspects of that too, the next thing we'll talk about is what's the energy? So

0:06:48.1 S2: What makes Picasso awesome is that there's something happening all the time, and you have the opportunity to scroll past... Ask that Instagram. It's awesome because you can just scroll... I think if you watch a lot of movies series these days, you're gonna see camera shot switching a lot faster than you probably would have just five years ago, so if you're only working with one screen or when Hamra do something to make it entertaining. Or bring the level up. And then bring it down. Keep things changing. And I think that's number one on how you're presenting yourself, whether it just be your original stuff and how you're junior fans, or if you are in a corporate situation, how do you keep people looking at that, right. And you have to then keep your money, you up, that little camera is everything that is... Every audience member, you've got one little hole with that just watching the comments... If you're doing a Facebook live stream or Instagram, communicate with your audience. Say hello. And we keep bringing Frank from the south side up. When I say we, I mean me. But address them, address your audience, say hello, acknowledge that they're there, ask them questions as Leif, they have requests, do something to continue to be engaged with them.

0:08:11.6 S1: And so how you dress, how you're looking and talking to that camera matters, this is not only like you've addressed for our business or corporate event, but also are we matching the energy in which the show is set up to do it? You don't get the stroke light out and then sit there kind of real mellow and don't match the environment in which to show you're presenting is... And that's also where I always come back to, it should be you. And don't try to put on a live stream show that is what you do with your 12-piece band because it's just... You can't do that energy, maybe some people can, but most of us, that's a bad idea because it's not gonna match the energy of the environment we're in and looking... I watched the live stream from Fink the other night, who is the European kinda down-tempo parts...

0:09:05.6 S2: It was wouldn't. That would have been awesome.

0:09:09.2 S1: Yeah, it might still be on. But he was doing it for a non-profit and it was an incredible performance, and I just think what he does is incredible and the performance, the sound quality, everything was top notch, he's using this nice new on mics and all this, but in the background is his sliding glass door and his Grill, which I just thought wasn't... He just doesn't care. And that's his vie. But by the time we got dark at the end of the shore, you could see it anymore, and I'm not quite sure he knew it was there, but it made me think like it's a good idea to think about what else can people see in your background and that's not an advanced necessarily a piece of advice, except for that I do see incredible successful people, not really thinking that far to too far.

0:09:59.4 S2: You've given me a reason just to clean up my music room every time we get together, so it's beneficial that way for me, for sure.

0:10:07.2 S1: Right, you're staring in a black wall, in a blank wall for me too, because otherwise it's just not set up. Right, but that's the solution that you can come up with, right, put a background in there that fits at least in aesthetic and spend some time moving to your cameras around and your equipment around and coming up with creative solutions to those problems. I don't settle. If you really wanted to present you in a positive and professional way, don't just take the easiest option because you don't have to move anything around, you can't forget that everything you're doing for these live streams or for the other person on the other side of that came on the other side of the phone and the other side of the computer, I can't make it lost.

0:10:52.8 S2: So alongside of what's behind you is what location you're actually performing in, certainly once you get towards more of an advanced higher level of what live stream can really potentially be, you can really expand your options of where you're performing... Number one, and make sure you can connect to an Internet source, wherever you decide for that location to be in moved first hit and people started live streaming from their kitchen tables... From their living room tables from their bedroom, I had to watch 50 before I got the nerve up to do it myself, I didn't want to do it the same way that I was seeing the other artists, and I don't know if it was just fear, if I... Show up maybe musically in the way that they did, but I wanted to provide something a little bit different. So what we did was we found a patio with the background was the flat iron here in Boulder, Colorado, and I was able to connect to the internet there, and I didn't hardwired into the focus... Right. Or something else, we just use our amplifiers and an death speakers, but it was something... Was something different, and we've got a lot of attention, especially from just family and friends that we're back in Chicago that weren't able to see you like that all the time, so from there, we started to switch it up and would go to venues that were empty, we would go up on their patios and just try to do something a little different every time, and then when it did come back to bedroom or the kitchen or the living room, that was just a different angle and different places to play, so it felt comfortable

0:12:35.6 S1: In a good way to test, if you're gonna be able to perform in a location that you're hoping to is to go to bed, test that net, there you can check and see what the upload and downloads are, and usually they say for a good salad streaming, it should be at least 25 of an upload speed that depends on a prostate, which you should get checked annually, uneasy.

0:13:03.8 S2: There's no website for that, maybe, fortunately, I don't prefer for that to be checked in the privacy of my own internet.

0:13:15.1 S1: Says it, and I can find everything right. After you picked your location and you're sure that your internet is going to work well there, talking about the multi-camera angles, even somebody who doesn't have much experience with photography, you can still use multiple cameras, even with one is your phone and... What's your computer, for example, once you're perhaps your iPad, any sort of device that you have that has a camera can potentially be another device to add to your arsenal of multi-camera angles. There are a couple of ways you can do this. The app that we've both been using is Epic American box, if the camera resolution was low on your computer, you found this app, E-P-O-C-C-A-M Pro. It was just like a 10 app, and I was able to plug my 12 into it, and now I don't have to worry about being so pixelated, so

0:14:14.1 S2: It was a great fixed... Thank you for that.

0:14:16.4 S1: And you can plug multiple devices using that same app, and I think you'll need to pay for it once if the LOS are hit in your device, the like list now, and you can then connect them all of you and use USB to your computer, and then they become multiple cameras that you can then switch between during your video streaming.

0:14:37.8 S2: It's something you can use for that. Air-turn is a Bluetooth, and also it has many capabilities, so air turn is a Bluetooth pedal that has up to four, which is if you want or just two switches, so all you have to do is just hit against the floor and they can switch to a different camera. So pretty useful.

0:15:00.3 S1: Yeah, and the other way that I've done it now was using obs, and that is another application that you can download the service and the application itself is free, but to get it on, to get the app onto your device does cost some money, but it does have all the bells and whistles that you could possibly need. So you can pretty much get started with in a few minutes, if you're kind of used to these kind of programs and you've seen some before, and you just play around and live for maybe 20 minutes, you usually can get your camera set up, at least when I first set it up, I set my phone and then I sat my computer up and I was able to create little two little cameras for them, and then I was able to have a switch back forth in a timer, so it would switch back every five seconds or whatever you said it to, and that was kind of nice too, because then it feels like it's not stagnant, you know what it really does, make you feel like it flows a little bit more for your viewer, number two in our list of areas to discuss an advanced live streaming is your audio in the beginning, kind of basic live stream episode, we talked about just getting started with the boys, close to a normal set up is what you did as a live performer to make it as streamlined as you can from the way you've done it to trying to get online.

0:16:23.6 S1: Now we're gonna talk a little bit more about interfaces, mixers, software, different ways that you can actually really up your game for a live stream performance and really make it a lot higher quality for your viewer, so first off.

0:16:39.8 S2: You sound excellent, right? Three, your voice is very crisp and clear, what are you using?

0:16:47.8 S1: I would definitely recommend this one as the first go-to for anybody that's trying to step up from not using anything, especially... And that's the I rise in the link below. The IRI is a very simple... You can get a lot of different variations, but the most basic one is just a single XLR input, it connects right to your phone, and then it communicates essentially just like a regular interface, but using your phone, you can then use it to do FaceTime or Zoom or livestream, in any of those, in regular platforms, and it's quite easy to adjust the volumes you can use in ours right away so that you can actually real-time hear yourself in the delay you have to do with it is getting effects added in now.

0:17:43.5 S2: It's pretty awesome for a room sound as well, 'cause if it only has the one XLR input, you can have just... Oh, Mike, in front of you, pick up your focal and good

0:17:54.3 S1: If you're using an avenue, Mike, and you wanna just have it pick up everything that's going on. It absolutely works. Great for that. Does Anand power for those mics to Lotto them use that? And yeah, I've used them for a lot of my regular videos too, because again, one of the most beneficial things is if you decided that your location is gonna be on the edge of the mountains and you've checked speed test at it, you now know that you can take your eye rig up there, and it runs on batteries and your phone, and you can easily record yourself at a super high quality and stream that live from the side of the Mount, if you want to use more than just one input... I have a focus right that I'm using right now and have used for live streams, so I can go directly into one channel or my vocals and guitar and anything else into the second channel, also have a universal audio Napolitano, those are... That's more an expensive side, but if you have it something you can use for live streaming.

0:19:02.3 S2: But the focus, right, they have a few different versions and a few different price points, and I think they all work. Excellent.

0:19:08.4 S1: And all of these interfaces talking about focus, right? And Apollo, of course, you then need to have connected to some sort of computer, right. You're gonna assume that you're using it with a laptop or some sort of desktop, so that does affect location, of course, everything can be moved if you decide to do so, the biggest benefit that you'll find with using one of those interfaces is that that it can be just like your recording set up, when you do your home recordings, you use Garage Band or some of those... Or logic or tools? I use Logic Pro, and that's because that's just what I'm most comfortable with, but if I use graduate for years before I switched.

0:19:54.3 S2: What I just ask him. So seriously.

0:19:57.6 S1: What did you do? What do you use?

0:20:01.6 S2: I do call it logic Logic Pro. I just don't ever feel like a pro when I'm using it, so I guess that's the problem. But it is easy to use. Yeah, I was thrown off there, I have a three-legged dog and somehow she was able to open the door and let herself and I'm not... So he did that. A

0:20:23.4 S1: Slow clap there. Yeah, Eeyore only on Ontap. Alright, yeah, so after you've kind of figured out what you wanted to use for your interface, you wanna talk about the software a little bit, we talked about OBS already. Well, we certainly is the most popular, I feel like these days, it's become very mainstream for advanced audio streaming and video streaming.

0:20:49.9 S2: We... I used the SM-7-B here. I know you had one an episode and you just brought up a different like that you taught or a little bit better for what we're doing here and for vocals just in streaming. What was that one?

0:21:07.4 S1: I have been spending a lot of time on Mike slavery because of the recording projects that I've got going, and I've been trying to find Mike that would be very purpose and that Mike... Certainly, the SMB is a very nice microphone, and it's probably the most popular podcast microphone that's out there right now, but it also works really well. I saw John Mayor, you said that one of his tracks... I've also been looking at the Newman 102 and it all depends on your budget and what else you can try to use it for, but these omni direction of microphones or the ones that can change their pattern are really nice, so that you could use it for recording for your vocals or your instrument recording, then also use it as a bigger room, Mike, for streaming or singing through and not pick up too much, it really kinda comes down to what your budget is and then how else you're gonna use that microphone? But I would recommend the SM 7B for someone who's willing to put a little bit of money into a microphone and... You would use it for other purposes as well. I'm only using a 58.

0:22:25.0 S2: Yeah, I was gonna say, or old school 57 or 58 for any performance would work fine through any of these interfaces...

0:22:32.4 S1: Again, if you're gonna use a room Mike, it's gonna need fan and powers, and there's a couple of things at in through on that. The mine certainly is an important part, and getting those levels set, I feel like a lot of streaming sites are kind of goofy with their values, when you're testing out the Macon, you really gotta perform like you're going to perform, I give it a good punch because sometimes it doesn't really... If you don't really push it on the test that it really changes once you really feeling the feeling, the energy and performing a sudden the Mike is freaking out on the stream, so

0:23:11.1 S2: I think you just mentioned testing, that would be a good segue into, how are you making sure everything sounds before you start live streaming, how does your audience gonna hear it? And personally, I've had a friend just on the other end, like via FaceTime or Zoom or Google thing, just to check it out just to see how it sounds, but if you don't have a friend to do that or you're by yourself, it's very easy just to do a private live stream on YouTube and have it recorded and then listen to it back, or same with a Facebook group that's private, you can make one just for yourself and then post it there and listen to it back.

0:23:56.5 S1: So when you say you have a friend to send it to, so that's sort of like how I asked you to listen to my last one and you said, sorry, I'm actually out living my life, so... No.

0:24:09.9 S2: I was driving at a time, but I was a little... I was like, This guy's planning. He's always so prepared and everything he does and we've been there, or if he just gave me like 30 more minutes or maybe an hour, I would have been home in time. I was just very disappointed in the whole experience, just texting that I wasn't able to be there for you as just... It hurt. Yeah, hope next time we're gonna have a discussion before you're in a color...

0:24:40.6 S1: Well, I had used my wife, who's not super in to have to listen to me to do the same song 100 times.

0:24:50.2 S2: One awesome thing about that is that she's not a musician, she's giving you honest feedback from what she hears, whether she wants to hear that or not, so he's very... Cobalt that Paul, a friend, anybody.

0:25:03.7 S1: Yeah, don't call the friend that won't tell you the truth, right? Yeah, or the one that has really no idea, he... There, right? Yeah, don't call that person that loves everything you do. After you figure out your visuals, you've also figured out your audio, the last thing and debated, the most overlooked part is, How am I gonna collect the money? And when I say that, I don't mean, has anybody heard of Venmo? We've all heard of Venmo, but there's also the factor, how easy is it going to be for my listeners to support me, and how can I make that as streamlined as possible? We all find ourselves thinking that we've done that as well as we can, and then afterwards, inevitably a few people end up telling you that the link didn't work or that they couldn't find your PayPal account for some reason. So let's just quickly talk about the main ways to collect money and then maybe some tips in making sure that those things are easy to achieve.

0:26:14.8 S2: I'm all gonna mention three apps right now, and this is if you're not already content walking your live stream with Facebook tickets or a third party, like a ticket spice or stage it or Eventbrite. So I think it's important to not only if you're using a BS, you can have on the bottom of the screen, what app that you're collecting safe donations for this performance, it's right there for everyone to see if you don't have something like that and you're just streaming directly to Facebook, YouTube or Instagram or tiktok or twitch. You can have it just pin as the first comment, so it's the first thing everyone sees, hope everybody is enjoying the show, we appreciate any donations that you're able to forward keep these live streams coming and supporting local artists such as myself, we're gonna talk about sponsors in a little bit, and I think that's one way that we can help the community. But put your belt right there, if you don't wanna do it on a comment, put it in the back behind you and have it on a poster or a light box, have your PayPal there, have your cash out there, and I think bringing it up during the live stream is something that I'm not very used to.

0:27:39.9 S2: I don't know how many performances you go to to be four times where after the third song, everyone, someone's just like, Well, put 5 on the tip jar everybody, so you can ask that you can bring your audience attention to, you're accepting donations and you're grateful that they're listening and you're grateful for their support, and do that after three more songs, and it's way just to communicate and keep the conversation going and let people know that this is a time where this profession has gone away for almost nine to 10 months on many different levels so not just as an original artist, but for someone who just plays weddings or plays corporate gigs or just does cover, that's a way to make a living as well, and a very profitable one of that... But that's not happening right now. Live, so don't be afraid to ask, 'cause people are willing to help if you do, another way that you can entice people to support you is by offering something else back during our live stream, obviously, your performance is already well worth being supported, but if you are trying to increase... Or just trying new things.

0:28:58.5 S2: And this is the advanced ideas anyways, is to add Merch or other incentives like that to your audience when they support another way to support your community and maybe take off some of the uncomfortable feelings you might have, or asking for money is sequels, you can help. Go down to the homeless shelter and ask them if you can help sponsor a night for someone and offer some of the proceeds from those donations to the home shelter. It's the first thing that we did when we started live streaming, and it was a way to give back to the community and also to address a problem in the community that they're in these times, people experiencing homelessness were in beds next to each other in a tent on the corner, if not, call the Red Cross, they're willing to help, they're willing to help support you, and it's announcing your show or your live stream, and make some of those process and give it to the Red Cross, have all places that you've played... Venues are closed and no one's buying tickets, and they still need to keep their doors open and the rent, so say, Hey, this is coming, the Fox Theater sponsored by the Fox Theater, discuss a marketing plan with them and how you could partner up and use their marketing and their reach, as well as yours, to bring some attention to the venue and give some of the proceeds to the venues that have been helping you out for so many years, give back a little bit...

0:30:46.4 S1: The other end of sponsorship would be that you are being sponsored through another product or company's platform, such as if the Red Cross, for example, decided to do this, you would perform through their Facebook page, and that's where everyone had to go in order to watch your show. Or there's a company downtown called cars that's talking to me about doing that, where I will perform only on their social media platforms, and any of the money that is raised goes to me, and they're sponsoring me as well to perform, but it's all driving traffic to their sites.

0:31:35.1 S2: I hope so. If it's ours, before musicians hip jar was invented and that awesome name came up, a Christopher web, something I was actually became up, my wife came up with it. I just wanted to be

0:31:54.8 S1: Fair, I don't take rates for still in work.

0:32:00.3 S2: That's why I didn't take credit for your awesome quote in the beginning, press, I gave you all the credit for it. Now, instead of saying, I hope hopefully this will be great for our listeners, my friend and I had conversations where we would talk... He's an awesome single Stern writer, and we would bring in another singer-songwriter like halfway through our conversation, and we would interview them, and it was fun to collaborate with other musicians, and from that we would also play on different Facebook pages for our different artists and they would do the same on mine, it was some way just to reach a different audience and also support each other at the same time, so I think shared nights is a pretty awesome way to collaborate with artists during these times and come up with new and fun ideas. On how to present your craft.

0:33:00.6 S1: And my favorite place that I used to spend a lot of time was corporate events and private events. I personally love the bird and butter of those events and those types of performances because you get to be a part of something bigger than just you, and that's a nice way to make your live stream sustainable. I think a lot of times, we've talked about over-saturating markets when it comes to performances, you can't over-saturate when it's not all about you, and corporate events and private events exist online these days, they're still getting together, they're still running their events. It's just very different in the sense that it's all mine, but they still want music, they still wanna... They still wanna feel like everyone's making connections and experiencing something, and so music is still a part of that, another option is conferences, they can't meet at the same location anymore, so something like focused where you could sign up for now, and they're taking applications where people used to have different rooms where an artist would play every 30 minutes, now they host a live stream on their Facebook page, and they have a different artist every 30 minutes, and you could sign up for multiple placements within a three-day period and reach a lot of fans and that almost becomes like a television channel for some people where they'll only watch that event for the next three days and might switch over to a different channel and check out three other artists, so conferences is a good way to diversify your market as well.

0:34:40.4 S2: So I mentioned earlier about the revenue as far as Venmo or PayPal, and that's when you're not content blocking, when you wanna sell tickets and have people only enter the live stream, Facebook has an awesome way of doing that right now, where they take a percentage of just the fees that come through for being able to host your live stream, so that's a very easy way to start with selling tickets, another platform is a third party ticket spice is great for that as well, where you can put your YouTube, your Vimeo, your Facebook link, anything that you're going to livestream, they will not give your fan that link until it's time to perform and it's on a blocked page where you're not gonna see the URL, so it's an awesome way to sell tickets and make it a show... Eventbrite or stage it, dot com also has those options to... Which leaves you with just, how do you promote your performance... Romani labrum is a little different than when you were going to play live, you had few months where you can start telling people to say the date because they have to make plans for that evening, and you want that to be the offender, the evening.

0:36:10.1 S2: This is still the event of the evening, but it's so easy for someone to log on to their computer and just move to another live stream if it's free, if it's a ticketed event, it's something that you kinda have to plan for a little differently, where this is our plan to enjoy the show from our living room table, let's get some drinks or have some fluid or get some tea and be able to enjoy the event, you can do that in a shorter period of time because how often you can reach them through your socials or your newsletter, it's not so much bringing... If you didn't build that community prior to this, your... Your socials and your newsletter is gonna be your best friend, are gonna be your best friend if you're trying to make new fans and also sell tickets, there's plenty of ways to partner, like we said earlier, with doing the different sponsors, working with non-profits, but also investing in your art and paying for some ads, even if something has 2 a day to get people to see your face seven times before they click on it and argue them through your friends of fans on Facebook or Google AdWords or re-target them through that, and it's a completely a different episode, but there's plenty of ways to reach new fans while last

0:37:40.7 S1: REM actionable steps, we always like to leave you with something to try to make progress. We are here to find the ways to make money, so let's give you a few ways that you can take this episode and try to make some money directly with your advanced live streaming techniques. First, pick a visual and audio goal, set them high, this isn't the beginning of your lives, gene, experience, this is trying to step it up, trying to be the one that stands out. So set those goals high and envision how you want that to work and step backwards from there. They always say start with the end in mind. And this is the perfect place to do that.

0:38:26.7 S2: It's not going anywhere. Lives what? Man, is not going anywhere for a while. Number two, pick to present yourself, that gives your audience the most value, how entertaining are you gonna be so you can receive the most value for the show that you give, always have your fans in mind when you put on your live streams, and I think you'll be successful.

0:38:55.6 S1: Number three set your income goal. I don't just mean, plan on making some money. I say, plan on how much you wanna make. If you want, you set your goal at 2500 for this one, then make that the plan, and again, let's look at them, do I sell... Take is for this to make that kind of money, do I pair up with a much more famous performer than myself to try to make that money, what do I have to do? But if you set that number first, it will get you thinking in bigger ways, and if you wanna give us the feedback but worked in well for you and what hasn't worked for you, or give us any other tips that we might wanna add to this jar. How can they get a hold of us day, you can check us out on musicians

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0:39:50.8 S1: That's always... Thank you for joining us. Remember that there's already enough for everyone who just need to know how to get it until next time, on behalf of Dave damping in myself here, please stay safe. Stay how too? Take care of each other.

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